Burress a Bronco?
Could you see Plaxico in Orange & Blue? With Watts failing to come through and an aging Rod Smith would it be a wise decision for the Broncos to go after this top notch reciever?
posted by RED at 8:21 AM
Tuesday, February 22, 2005
Could you see Plaxico in Orange & Blue? With Watts failing to come through and an aging Rod Smith would it be a wise decision for the Broncos to go after this top notch reciever?
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I think the Broncos need to go after a receiver who will eventually take over the #1 receiver role once Smith retires. As much potential as I think Lelie has, he really hasn’t stepped like I thought he would. Watts, rookie receiver, had quite a few dropped passes last season, including 1 in the end zone against the Raiders which we ended up losing that game. There are some other receivers on the squad who are good #3 and #4 receivers, but nobody that is a big play threat.
However, Burress will not be wearing a Broncos jersey next season. Plexiglass has great hands, can be a big time playmaker, but he’ll want too much $ to land here in Denver.
Sorry, I was wrong, think that game Watts dropped the pass was against Atlanta.
No, Steve. You were right. Watts dropped one in the endzone right before he didn't run out of bounds on the final play of the game. Lelie really improved from the prior season, and Red, you need to give Watts a break. That was his rookie season. He'll be coming back for sure.
You think Denver might go after the NFL's leading receiver who just got cut? (Derrick Mason)
I actually think we stand a better chance of landing Burress than Mason. Mason wants way too much $$$
Give Watts a break? WTF are you talking about nn! Rookie or not he needs to make those catches. Welcome to the NFL which stands for Not For Long if you drop passes like that. If you are good enough to make it to the NFL then you don't have any excuses to drop passes. Watts hasn't proved anything yet nor will he get a chance to if we pick up another receiver. I'm sick of people saying "Ahh give him a chance he's just a rookie" Last I checked he played 4 years of college ball and now he should be ready for the NFL.
Well, moving from high school to play college ball, I will say give Watts a break. It's a different playing environment, game is much faster, etc. I'm sure the same is true going from college to the NFL, plus the ball size is different, that always has an effect!
Sounds like your full of excuses Stevie!
Chargers are gonna release Tim Dwight.
He'd be the best option available to help our return game, and has atleast something to offer as another WR body.
Of course all this depends on how cheap he'd be, but I know playing against the guy always scared me whenever he got his hands on the ball.
DLine is w/out doubt the #1 priority. But, we can't ignore our on going search for a return game.
I wouldn't want that corn-rowed, gold teeth, beetchslap on my team. He's a complainer whosetalents outweigh his actual performances.
Cancer is never a good thing to have around. Give Watts time to grow and pick up Mushin Muhammand who would be a better fit for the Donkeys.
I can give Watts the benefit of the doubt and give him a year or two to grow, but Lelie has had plenty of time, 3 years. Granted this past season was his best, over a 1000 yards receiving, but just doesn't seem like he is the playmaker Denver needs.
Lelie WAS the Broncos deep threat this past season. Had not made alot of those big plays the Broncs dont even move the ball or make the playoffs. You should give him more credit. I don't think no defnesive players want the task of covering him the whole game. Watts will be a impact player in the future for whoever he plays with. You gotta remember the broncos dink and dunk down the field and when they went deep it was to Lelie. I really can't see Burress in a broncs uni, I don't think he'd want to play for Shannahan (the little man up there) or likes the system. Two words Braylon Edwards.
I guess I just see the big play threat as a receiver who is capable of buring you deep or taking that 3 yard slant for 60 yards. Sure Lelie made some huge deep catches, can't deny that, but BIG play doesn't necessarily mean deep ball, means having the ability to shake off 1 tackle on a quick slant and take it to the house, yet still keep that safety from cheating towards the Line of Scrimmage because of the possible long ball.
I guess I just don't see that in Lelie yet.
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You're probably right, or maybe it's the system. Didn't you notice most of Lelie's routes were 10+ yards. Wonder what his stats would be like if Griese were still taking the snaps. No deep ball threat with his arm, but he can sure as hell toss those 5 yards outs perfectly.
But back to the subject, Lelie isn't the big play threat for Denver. Can he be, probably, but he hasn't been it yet! Maybe it's Plummer, maybe it's the system, either way, there is obvisouly a reason for it.
I am waiting for Watts to step it up though. That boy just can flat out fly, great moved, though he is kind of small and has NN kind of hands. No wait, they aren't that bad!
Shoot Lelie came up huge this past season. He did better then Rod Smith did. I remember Rod Smith dropping passes, a big one VS the Colts as a matter of fact. Lelie came through big time this past season and if the Broncos would have used him more as a deep threat it would have pushed back the defense which would have gave more room for our running backs to run wild. But instead we came out with that short yardage plays and the D Backs moved up closer to the line which made it harder to run. I think if we got another receiver say like Plaxico it would really benefit Lelie. But unless they take advantage of the deep threat the Lelie possesses it's not going to happen.
Steve seriously I need to step in here and correct you. You say Lelie was not a big play threat. How do you figure this really? Did you watch any of the games last season or were you just watching Mike Shanahan turn red on the side lines? Here let me bring Lelie's stats up. 54 catches, 1084 Yards, 7 TD's and a NFL best 20.1 yards per catch. You say a big play threat means a lot more then just catching deep balls well did you know that out of Lelie's 54 catches 40 of them were for 1st downs? Now if that isn't a big play threat then I don't know what is.
Jamez I am just looking at what is available. Now that Laveranues Coles is now available he might be that 3rd and 6 guy your looking for.
Please refer to my comment above, I said not only a threat to catch the deep ball, but to also be a threat to catch a 3-yard slant and take it 60 yards. Or on a 3rd and 3, keeping an eye on Lelie because he'll run a 5 and in. It's not just the long plays (as Lelie has clearly shown) it's the little things too.
And duh, a receiver with only 54 catches for over a 1000 yards is going to have a high number of first downs catches. That's only obvious.
Tell you what though, on that crucial 3rd and 3, they weren't cheating to Lelie because he can run a quick slant, they were cheating to Smith's side. Lelie isn't that possession receiver. He probably can be, but he hasn't shown it yet.
Oh I know James, which is why I've also been saying "He probably can be" - it could be Plummer, it could be the system, or hell, it really could be Lelie and we just don't know it. What if during practice he just doesn't run good short routes, or has trouble catching passes on the short routes? No way for us to know this.
Again you're probably right, but how do you know for sure. Even on the short plays, I still saw Lelie going 10+ yards. So wouldn't that also be a problem with the system?
As a QB on a 3rd and 3, passing play, what is on your mind...getting the 1st down. Which means you need 3 yards. Why not have multiple receivers go this yardage instead of just Smith and a TE on a delay?
LOL - even if Red read it, he wouldn't understand what it means because he is just 100% sure he is always correct, that even if someone else brings up a good point, he won't acknowledge it or even try to defend it, please refer to the Garcia vs Plummer post.
James okay I got a chance to read your post on receivers we should try to acquire and I agree if the Broncos are going to spend top coin they might as well go for Coles and yes at 27 he can stick around for a good 5-7 years and be able to perform. As for Lelie not getting shots at the short ball I agree he doesn't get that many chances and Plummer does have a tendency to go to Smith in big situations. Another thing I might add to this is that with the loss of Shannon Sharpe we have not been able to get as much production out of our TE's as we have in the past. Perhaps picking up a big play TE will be the answer to getting a better distribution of the ball.
WOOHOO, Jesse finally has a great rebuttle.
Yeah, it seems as if the TE was only catching passes on the boot plays.
Steve- I wouldn't understand because I need to be right you say? Dude you are the one that can't agree with shit and look for any opportunity to disagree with anyone for your false beliefs in arguments sake! You have just been proven wrong on every topic just about because you are latching on to your "I'm going to disagree to be an ass!" or "I'm going to play Devils food cakes advocate". Instead take a stand on what you believe and stick with it even if it means agreeing with my more like 95% right all the time RED ass! Backing up Plummer then going back on your word and saying that Plummer might be the problem we can't get Lelie to catch a slant is going back on shit. Lelie not a big play threat? Hmmm... I don't think I need to even comment on the stupidity in that statement.
I'm down for a big play TE, who can also stay in and block very well!
I want Garcia!
Who was backing up Plummer? I was just saying don't replace him with Garcia
Let's take a lookj at the Free Agent TE's and discuss it then.
Becht is an unrestricted free agent.
Name 1 thing you have proven me wrong on?
There is actually a handful of good Tight Ends out there including Anthony Becht, Bubba Franks, Ken Dilger just to name a few. I also like Rickey Dudly but if I were to choose one to go for it might as well be Franks. He has came up with a lot of TD's in his short career plus he's got youth on his side.
Garcia? No - the argument was who would you want, you said Garcia I said Plummer - how can you prove me wrong with that argument?
Lelie? No - until we can clearly define "big threat" or "big play", no absolute way to prove one is right or wrong.
Defense? No, in fact I proved you wrong on that since you clearly said football is about formations, etc. It still boils down to the personnel. Doesn't matter what formation you have, or how much preparation you do if you don't have the players in there to execute and prepare themselves. But on the flip side, that argument was strictly, is the 3-4 defense over-hyped or not.
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