Tuesday, February 22, 2005

Burress a Bronco?



Could you see Plaxico in Orange & Blue? With Watts failing to come through and an aging Rod Smith would it be a wise decision for the Broncos to go after this top notch reciever?

48 Comments:

Blogger Steve said...

I think the Broncos need to go after a receiver who will eventually take over the #1 receiver role once Smith retires. As much potential as I think Lelie has, he really hasn’t stepped like I thought he would. Watts, rookie receiver, had quite a few dropped passes last season, including 1 in the end zone against the Raiders which we ended up losing that game. There are some other receivers on the squad who are good #3 and #4 receivers, but nobody that is a big play threat.

However, Burress will not be wearing a Broncos jersey next season. Plexiglass has great hands, can be a big time playmaker, but he’ll want too much $ to land here in Denver.

9:12 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Sorry, I was wrong, think that game Watts dropped the pass was against Atlanta.

9:29 AM  
Anonymous nn said...

No, Steve. You were right. Watts dropped one in the endzone right before he didn't run out of bounds on the final play of the game. Lelie really improved from the prior season, and Red, you need to give Watts a break. That was his rookie season. He'll be coming back for sure.

You think Denver might go after the NFL's leading receiver who just got cut? (Derrick Mason)

9:36 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

I actually think we stand a better chance of landing Burress than Mason. Mason wants way too much $$$

9:58 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Give Watts a break? WTF are you talking about nn! Rookie or not he needs to make those catches. Welcome to the NFL which stands for Not For Long if you drop passes like that. If you are good enough to make it to the NFL then you don't have any excuses to drop passes. Watts hasn't proved anything yet nor will he get a chance to if we pick up another receiver. I'm sick of people saying "Ahh give him a chance he's just a rookie" Last I checked he played 4 years of college ball and now he should be ready for the NFL.

11:15 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Well, moving from high school to play college ball, I will say give Watts a break. It's a different playing environment, game is much faster, etc. I'm sure the same is true going from college to the NFL, plus the ball size is different, that always has an effect!

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like your full of excuses Stevie!

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Taco John said...

Chargers are gonna release Tim Dwight.

He'd be the best option available to help our return game, and has atleast something to offer as another WR body.

Of course all this depends on how cheap he'd be, but I know playing against the guy always scared me whenever he got his hands on the ball.

DLine is w/out doubt the #1 priority. But, we can't ignore our on going search for a return game.

1:33 PM  
Blogger CosmicPal said...

I wouldn't want that corn-rowed, gold teeth, beetchslap on my team. He's a complainer whosetalents outweigh his actual performances.

Cancer is never a good thing to have around. Give Watts time to grow and pick up Mushin Muhammand who would be a better fit for the Donkeys.

1:42 PM  
Blogger LordMacster said...

Watts was heavily disappointing this season, no doubt. But I do not believe we should kick the bucket just yet. Maybe he is a late bloomer and I believe that assuming he is out for the count is idiocy. The same can be said for Ashley Lelie. EMI is still banging their heads against the wall for rejecting the Beatles. Oops!

2:03 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

I can give Watts the benefit of the doubt and give him a year or two to grow, but Lelie has had plenty of time, 3 years. Granted this past season was his best, over a 1000 yards receiving, but just doesn't seem like he is the playmaker Denver needs.

2:15 PM  
Blogger Arvada Mike said...

I tell you what the Broncos need and that is Shaun Alexander. You pie holes need to wake up.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lelie WAS the Broncos deep threat this past season. Had not made alot of those big plays the Broncs dont even move the ball or make the playoffs. You should give him more credit. I don't think no defnesive players want the task of covering him the whole game. Watts will be a impact player in the future for whoever he plays with. You gotta remember the broncos dink and dunk down the field and when they went deep it was to Lelie. I really can't see Burress in a broncs uni, I don't think he'd want to play for Shannahan (the little man up there) or likes the system. Two words Braylon Edwards.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

STEVE!! You said nobody on the Broncos is a big play threat.....WHAT!! Should I remind you that Lelie lead the NFL in yards per catch! That defines big play threat.

Lelie did drop some balls his first couple of years but I think this year he became a lot more consistant, and had some fantastic grabs. Maybe if his quarterback would quit looking exclusively at Rod Smith on every passing down Lelie would "step up like you thought he would".

I do agree that we need some help at WR, but I don't think we need to go invest in Burress, or Mushin Muhammed, or anybody like that. Nor do we need a gang banger with speed who might catch a long ball once in a while. We already have 2 speedster receivers in Watts and Lelie. What we need is a vetran possesion type receiver who can get open and make the tough catch on 3rd and 6. Somebody who Plummer can throw the ball to other than Smith when the other team knows a pass is coming. I would love to see the Broncos go after Corey Bradford, Troy Edwards, or maybe even bring in Tim Brown who still has a year left in his body. Who I would really love to see the Broncos get is David Givens who is a restricted free agent. Givens had 47 1st down receptions last year with the Pats.

If the Broncos were going to go out and spend a fortune on a WR (which they won't) the best option would be Laveranues Coles who is being released by the Redskins. He makes the tough short to medium range catches and would be an excellent person to immediatly equal Smith's role on the team. And at 27, Coles is going to be around for a long time.

6:02 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

I guess I just see the big play threat as a receiver who is capable of buring you deep or taking that 3 yard slant for 60 yards. Sure Lelie made some huge deep catches, can't deny that, but BIG play doesn't necessarily mean deep ball, means having the ability to shake off 1 tackle on a quick slant and take it to the house, yet still keep that safety from cheating towards the Line of Scrimmage because of the possible long ball.

I guess I just don't see that in Lelie yet.

9:40 AM  
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9:42 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

I don't ever see Lelie even getting the chance to break a slant. The ball just doesn't get thrown in his direction that much. Of all the receivers that broke the 1000 yard mark last year, it took most of those recievers 70,80,90 catches to do it. Lelie did it in 54 receptions. That's less than 4 catches per game. I tell you, if Leleie got the ball thrown to him as much as Rod Smith does Lelie would have a lot better chance to show you what he can do. There isn't very many receivers in the league that can do what you are expecting, Moss and Owens do it all the time, but that's because they get the ball thrown to them a lot more than 4 times a game.

Again, I hate to bring up old skeleton's, but is Jake Plemmer part of the reason why Lelie hasn't gotten the chance to showcase himself? I think so.

10:06 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

You're probably right, or maybe it's the system. Didn't you notice most of Lelie's routes were 10+ yards. Wonder what his stats would be like if Griese were still taking the snaps. No deep ball threat with his arm, but he can sure as hell toss those 5 yards outs perfectly.

But back to the subject, Lelie isn't the big play threat for Denver. Can he be, probably, but he hasn't been it yet! Maybe it's Plummer, maybe it's the system, either way, there is obvisouly a reason for it.

I am waiting for Watts to step it up though. That boy just can flat out fly, great moved, though he is kind of small and has NN kind of hands. No wait, they aren't that bad!

10:12 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Shoot Lelie came up huge this past season. He did better then Rod Smith did. I remember Rod Smith dropping passes, a big one VS the Colts as a matter of fact. Lelie came through big time this past season and if the Broncos would have used him more as a deep threat it would have pushed back the defense which would have gave more room for our running backs to run wild. But instead we came out with that short yardage plays and the D Backs moved up closer to the line which made it harder to run. I think if we got another receiver say like Plaxico it would really benefit Lelie. But unless they take advantage of the deep threat the Lelie possesses it's not going to happen.

10:12 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Red, I disagree about Plaxico! Plaxico is the same type of receiver as Lelie. We need another Rod Smith type in here. Somebody who can catch the 3rd and 6 ball. Not someone who you throw it deep to on 2nd and 3.

10:15 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Steve seriously I need to step in here and correct you. You say Lelie was not a big play threat. How do you figure this really? Did you watch any of the games last season or were you just watching Mike Shanahan turn red on the side lines? Here let me bring Lelie's stats up. 54 catches, 1084 Yards, 7 TD's and a NFL best 20.1 yards per catch. You say a big play threat means a lot more then just catching deep balls well did you know that out of Lelie's 54 catches 40 of them were for 1st downs? Now if that isn't a big play threat then I don't know what is.

10:18 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Jamez I am just looking at what is available. Now that Laveranues Coles is now available he might be that 3rd and 6 guy your looking for.

10:20 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Please refer to my comment above, I said not only a threat to catch the deep ball, but to also be a threat to catch a 3-yard slant and take it 60 yards. Or on a 3rd and 3, keeping an eye on Lelie because he'll run a 5 and in. It's not just the long plays (as Lelie has clearly shown) it's the little things too.

10:25 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Red, you obviously didn't read my first post regarding Coles. Wise up man! You just don't get it do ya!

10:26 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

And duh, a receiver with only 54 catches for over a 1000 yards is going to have a high number of first downs catches. That's only obvious.

Tell you what though, on that crucial 3rd and 3, they weren't cheating to Lelie because he can run a quick slant, they were cheating to Smith's side. Lelie isn't that possession receiver. He probably can be, but he hasn't shown it yet.

10:27 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

He can't show you "the little things" if he only catches 54 balls a year!

10:28 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Oh I know James, which is why I've also been saying "He probably can be" - it could be Plummer, it could be the system, or hell, it really could be Lelie and we just don't know it. What if during practice he just doesn't run good short routes, or has trouble catching passes on the short routes? No way for us to know this.

10:29 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

THEY CHEAT TO SMITH'S SIDE BECAUSE JAKE FREAKIN PLUMMER ONLY THROWS TO SMITH ON 3RD & 3!!!! HE ONLY LOOKS AT SMITH IN CRUCIAL SITUATIONS.----HENCE MY STANCE ON GARCIA----

10:29 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Again you're probably right, but how do you know for sure. Even on the short plays, I still saw Lelie going 10+ yards. So wouldn't that also be a problem with the system?

As a QB on a 3rd and 3, passing play, what is on your mind...getting the 1st down. Which means you need 3 yards. Why not have multiple receivers go this yardage instead of just Smith and a TE on a delay?

10:33 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Steve, Red admitted he didn't even read my previous posts. I refuse to participate in this debate if the other participants don't even read the posts. That's why nothing gets settled. Let me know when the participation level increases.

10:37 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

LOL - even if Red read it, he wouldn't understand what it means because he is just 100% sure he is always correct, that even if someone else brings up a good point, he won't acknowledge it or even try to defend it, please refer to the Garcia vs Plummer post.

10:38 AM  
Blogger RED said...

James okay I got a chance to read your post on receivers we should try to acquire and I agree if the Broncos are going to spend top coin they might as well go for Coles and yes at 27 he can stick around for a good 5-7 years and be able to perform. As for Lelie not getting shots at the short ball I agree he doesn't get that many chances and Plummer does have a tendency to go to Smith in big situations. Another thing I might add to this is that with the loss of Shannon Sharpe we have not been able to get as much production out of our TE's as we have in the past. Perhaps picking up a big play TE will be the answer to getting a better distribution of the ball.

10:40 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Maybe we should get a big play tight end? What do you guys think?

10:43 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Maybe because we lost Shannon Sharpe, we lost productions out of our TE's!

10:45 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Red, so do you want Plaxico, Coles, or a big play tight end?

10:46 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

WOOHOO, Jesse finally has a great rebuttle.

Yeah, it seems as if the TE was only catching passes on the boot plays.

10:49 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Steve- I wouldn't understand because I need to be right you say? Dude you are the one that can't agree with shit and look for any opportunity to disagree with anyone for your false beliefs in arguments sake! You have just been proven wrong on every topic just about because you are latching on to your "I'm going to disagree to be an ass!" or "I'm going to play Devils food cakes advocate". Instead take a stand on what you believe and stick with it even if it means agreeing with my more like 95% right all the time RED ass! Backing up Plummer then going back on your word and saying that Plummer might be the problem we can't get Lelie to catch a slant is going back on shit. Lelie not a big play threat? Hmmm... I don't think I need to even comment on the stupidity in that statement.

10:49 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

I'm down for a big play TE, who can also stay in and block very well!

10:49 AM  
Blogger RED said...

I want Garcia!

10:50 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Who was backing up Plummer? I was just saying don't replace him with Garcia

10:51 AM  
Blogger RED said...

Let's take a lookj at the Free Agent TE's and discuss it then.

10:52 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

LMAO-"Devil's food cake advocate" Thats some funny shit. I do agree Red that we've proven him wrong in everything that he's disagreed with us on. That's because if there is one thing that I know well, that's football. I didn't get straight A's, I don't profess to be a genious, but when it comes to Football, I am the freaking messiah. The Broncos NEED me in their front office. Me and Shanahan would build a dynasty fo sheezee!

10:54 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Becht is an unrestricted free agent.

10:56 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

I gotta go to the dentist to get my new teeth. I'll be back around 3.

10:57 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Name 1 thing you have proven me wrong on?

10:57 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Garcia, Lelie, defense, etc. Gotta go now, be back at 3.

10:58 AM  
Blogger RED said...

There is actually a handful of good Tight Ends out there including Anthony Becht, Bubba Franks, Ken Dilger just to name a few. I also like Rickey Dudly but if I were to choose one to go for it might as well be Franks. He has came up with a lot of TD's in his short career plus he's got youth on his side.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

Garcia? No - the argument was who would you want, you said Garcia I said Plummer - how can you prove me wrong with that argument?

Lelie? No - until we can clearly define "big threat" or "big play", no absolute way to prove one is right or wrong.

Defense? No, in fact I proved you wrong on that since you clearly said football is about formations, etc. It still boils down to the personnel. Doesn't matter what formation you have, or how much preparation you do if you don't have the players in there to execute and prepare themselves. But on the flip side, that argument was strictly, is the 3-4 defense over-hyped or not.

11:04 AM  

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