Hybrid Tight End
It's all about the Hybrid Tight End in the NFL now a says and we might just be able to see one of the best... Even better then Todd Heap, Tony Gonzales and who knows maybe even the great Shannon Sharpe. Vernon Davis from Maryland is the man I am talking about. The guy is a freak, he runs a 4.3 40 yard dash, he can bench press 225 lbs 35 times. This TE might be the hottest thing going in this years draft. Look at what Antonio Gates has done to help the Chargers. Look out for this guy, he could be the best pick in the draft in 06. Your thoughts?
posted by RED at 3:48 PM
42 Comments:
Hmmmm...interesting point - he may be the steal of the draft based upon production. For sure that guy is an animal, solid all around type player and can block very well.
He ain't going to be as good as Jay Novecek was bud
Word on the streets say the Broncos might just trade up to get this cat. I believe this would be a smarter pick then going after Chad Jackson, that's for sure!
You guys really don't get it, AJ HAWK IS THE STEAL OF THE DRAFT!!!
Hawk might be the best defensive player in the draft, but quite honestly, Denver really doesn't need a LB. Sure he might be a top notch player, but Denver has no reason to select him.
I would take this TE over Jackson anyday too, but I don't think he'll drop that far in the draft.
James quit reading the mock draft shit already. let's see your top 15 picks shmitty!
I 2nd that james is a band wagon kid
yeah Red, you're stupid!! I want to fight you.
Where is Steve?
LOL, Dude I'm telling you they are not, there is too much talent at other positions to draft a WR. Go look at these two players that when we do draft a WR in the 2nd round, this is who we will get Maurice Stovall from Notre Dame or Todd Watkins from BYU or possibly Jason Avant from Michigan. I am hoping for DeAngelo Williams myself
Shit we might even wait and grab Jeremy Bloom so we FINALLY can have a good returner.
What about Sean Simpson?
Maurice Stovall from ND stats:
G-GS Rec. Yds. Avg. TD LG
2002 13-0 18 312 17.3 3 44
2003 12-3 22 421 19.1 3 85
2004 9-8 21 313 14.9 1 49
2005 11-11 60 1023 17.0 11 50
TOTAL 45-22 121 2069 17.1 11 85
yeah, Jamezp wins, we don't need a RB with the first pick
Dude we can address the WR spot later in the draft without signing BIG MONEY BOY Chad Jackson! Think like a owner, not a fan!
Wow Jesse you must be the smartes muther fucker alive. I don't think you have ever been wrong about anything on any subject ever posted on this site. kudos!
Williams will make a play when it counts, he is a playmaker like CP was, not a Ron (my body is out of poportion) Dayne or Tatum (I can't carry the ball more then 10 times a game)
When it counted most against Pittsburgh
So because Dayne busted off a 50 yarder against Dallas he is the man?
He is thinking exactly like I do, kudos Jamezwp
actually Jesse, Jamezwp is right
Okay Charlie Chaplin 1st off the Broncos picked up David Terrell and he will be put to use, 2nd off i never said they were the problem, was the problem we lost because of our wide recievers. Our Running backs never picked up big 1st downs when it mattered most did they, neither did Plummer. We need a back who can catch 50+ balls out of the backfield because unfortunatly 1 WR is not going to make a difference. With Williams we might not have 1000 more yards but we will get a back that can produce maybe 500 yards recieving. Dayne isn't the answer bro take a look at what he has done his whole career.shit! it's the big 3rd downs we need to pick up with a weapon
This shit is cracking me up...Don't forget about this situation, Denver owns 4 of the top 68 picks, they also want to get rid of Lelie...grapevine talk on broncos.com is they are looking to bring in Javon Walker.
My thoughts on that are of deep concern. I like Walker, I like what he can bring to the passing game, but coming off an injury like he did, raises an eyebrow.
So...if Denver gets Walker, they will most likely focus on a WR, DE or TE (which are big needs). I think they are still comfortable with Ferguson and Lynch at Safety (I'm not, but that's just me).
Regarding the RB situation - Williams would be an all right pick, Denver will obviously pick up the best available player to them that can come in and have an opportunity to make a statement. But I also like Maroney from Minnesota. I don't see the need of getting a RB more than a WR. Denver may not 100% need a WR, but they 100% surely don't need a RB.
But if you guys really want my #1 pick for Denver, they should get Mathias Kiwanuka from Boston College. This guy is an animal and he was amazing to watch. He actually reminded me of Javon Kearse in his dominating days, long arms, quick off the edge, strong, just a great player.
RED, would you like to come work for me as a special consultant to the offensive coordinator? your ideas are brilliant.....I should of hired you back in '95, maybe we would of won 2 super bowls and been to the playoffs every year but 2 if you worked for me
Red, great ideas!
Yeah, it really is...
I guess I see Red's point of not trusting what Ron Dayne brings to the table, but at the same time, we also didn't have a chance to see him in action...and I mean really in action.
But Red, as far as a RB who can catch 50 out of the backfield, you know...it's a great want, but there aren't any RB in the draft that can physically carry the load of 300 carries, plus 50+ catches. There isn't no LT in the draft. This really isn't a strong RB draft class. Sure Bush is the top choice, but 1 player doesn't make it a strong class.
This class is very deep at DT and DE along with LB, but the rest is all really a toss up.
Ideally, i'd like to get the DE from BC with their 1st pick and here's why. The loss of Pryce will create more of a double team on Warren and leave the outside vunerable to the run. Offense gets you to chanpionships, but defense wins one.
Red keeps bringing up the Pittsburgh game, not sure why either, every aspect of that game was shit. Pittsburgh was just flat out better that day. For every offensive comment he brings up, I'll bring up 10 defensive ones. Not being able to stop 3rd and long all day - that's a problem, it's called lack of pass rush. Denver didn't get a whole lot of pressure at all.
What you also don't see if that if you shut down part of an offense, you can focus on the other part. Denver didn't run well, guess what, we didn't pass well either. Plummer's fault? Maybe, but I certainly don't blame that loss on him, the defense was atrocious.
Here's another thing to think about Red...
The RB position is probably the most short lives position in the NFL. Drafting a JR is more ideal than a SR and also drafting someone who isn't as beat up is also smart. Do you know that Williams almost had 1000 carries in his college career? 600+ of those in the last 2 seasons. Thats a shit load of carries.
If Denver were to get a RB, I say go after Maroney
Alright man we will see. All I am saying is that with the loss of Mike Anderson we need a worke horse, we don't have that in Dayne and bell. I would be saying hell yeah go for a wide reciever if we had Anderson BUT being that the RUNNING game is the most vital part of the Broncos offensive scheme they will need to address this with priority. Bell and Dayne haven't showed shit really, yes Bell broke off some great runs and will indeed still be a major part of the offense but not a #1 work horse like Anderson was. Dayne won't be a the #1 either fellas so get the hint man. DENVER's game is based around the running game so why the hell would we look at a wide reciever 1st when that isn't even the priority of our offense. Come on fellas thought you knew football!
Yeah Dayne has the highest rushing yards in a career.
James, I do see the need for a WR and I'd be thrilled with Jackson, we certainly need a WR. I just wouldn't be upset if we didn't get him and drafted a DE or TE, or someone that is going to get open down the field.
Oh what an unintelligent comment...how do you know Dayne won't be the workhorse? You sure as fuck didn't know Anderson would be when he got a chance to play, or Droughns for that matter. You don't know because you haven't seen him in our offense that much. For the games he did play in, he sure as hell seemed to do a pretty darn good job.
Bell was never our #1 guy here, so I'm not sure why you are even saying we think he was. He is a good change-of-pace RB and he'll never be the starter in this league unless injuries happen.
If we can find CP Part II in the 2nd round, lets go for him, but the options that Denver actually has for RB are really no decent options for the future. The purpose of your first draft choice is to draft someone whom you think can come in and make a difference, Williams/Maroney won't provide that right away. A WR will, especially if Denver trades away Lelie. Who does that leave, an aging Smith and Watts?
So stop your bull-shit baby crying, whahhhhhh you guys don't know football whahhhhhh and start speaking intelligently to a couple of football fans.
it doesn't matter how many carries he had in college, all the great backs had tons of carries, look at Ron Dayne he had probably twice as many as Williams. This Williams cat is something special and if Denver has a shot to get the best available they will take him. Why spend all this loot on a wide reciever. Shit we could even have a chance of getting Moss in the 2nd round. i'm not saying that Denver should go running back, and from the start I never have, i said it is priority over a wide reciever but as far as the 1st pick of the draft goes, it will be the best player, and shit that might be a defensive player so please guys quit reading into the Broncos.com and whatever the hell your opinions come from and come up with some original thought. Shannahan isn't thinking 1st round WR big money contract, he is thinking bang for his buck.
We need to convert on 3rd down, and in the red zone. PERIOD. Passing game or no passing game. We need an ULTRA back! And since whne can't a running back comliment a passing game?
yeah I like White, that would be a good pick up as well I agree.
Dude you must have swallowed some Copenheigen, you're crazy!
what the fuck is an "ULTRA" running back?
Ultra back is basically a back that can do it all. IE: LT, Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber.
Tiki Barber is a perfect example of a Ultra Back. He had 1860 yard rushing and he also had 54 receptions for 530 yards. he carries the work load, takes heat off the QB because he is always a solid outlet and takes pressure off the recievers because of his versitility to catch passes. He is constantly being used on offense therefore being able to keep a rythm with the offense and create some solid chemistry and well as consistancy.
LT and Marshall Faulk are very rare backs, once in a lifetime type. It has taken Tiki 9 years to get to this point! Has he always been an "ultra" back, or did he just start being an "ultra" back the last year or two?
In Tiki Barbers defense he has had 5 sixty plus catch seasons in his 9 year career, 2 fifty plus catch season and his season low was 34 in his rookie season. Not only that but he has had 6 seasons with 500 or more recieving yards. Dude has a career total of 528 catches and almost 5000 yrds. I believe that doubles the output of Ashlie Lelie. Tiki has been an Ultra Back his entire career. You are right about Faulk and LT being once in a lifetime backs. But so is Williams. The guy put up huge yards in college and if you look at the history of running backs that rushed for big time yards they also rush for big time yards in the NFL, with the exception of Ron Dayne of course.
top 10 NCAA rushers all time:
1.Ron Dayne, Wis. / 6,397
2.Ricky Williams, Texas / 6,279
3.Tony Dorsett, Pitt. / 6,082
4.Charles White, USC / 5,598
5.T. Prentice, Miami-Ohio / 5,596
6.Cedric Benson, Texas / 5,540
7.L. Tomlinson, TCU / 5,263
8.Herschel Walker, Georgia. / 5,259
9.Archie Griffin, Ohio St. / 5,177
10.D. Williams, U of Memphis / 5,145
With the exception of Tomlinson and Dorsett, it's not a very impressive list. Where did you get your theory from?
Well as far as prduction goes, you can throw Ricky WIlliams in the positive list, we;re not judging character here. And not to mention half these gys on the top 10 are old timers or small schoolers, open that up a bit to the top 20 and you'll see guys like Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, and more.
oh yeah and Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson
Jim Brown, Franco Harris, Gale Sayers, Tony Dorsett, and finally Walter Payton
sounds like a 50% success rate
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