Wednesday, April 19, 2006

What's the plan Shannahan?

Well the Broncos traded there 22nd pick to the 49ers for 2 second round picks giving the Broncos 7 pick in the 1st 4 rounds. What exactly is Shannahans plans? Your opinions?


Blogger RED said...

I personally think we need to address the running back situation more then the wide receiver situation which has been brought up many times. I honestly don't think that Ron Dayne & Tatum Bell are the backs to look to when we need a tough 3 yards. Yes Dayne has proved himself to be a good back in a few situations last season, but it really wasn't enough to convince me. As for bell, well he has that slasher speed that is reminiscing of Clinton Portis but he didn't show up in the playoffs. I also think we need to address the corner back situation on the other side, I love the two new rookies but once again they kind of coked on that side when Pittsburgh was able to pick on them in the AFC Championship game.

2:27 PM  
Anonymous nn said...

No way, Broncos need a WR. Rod Smith is old enough to be my grandpa.

3:03 PM  
Blogger RED said...

I agree we need a WR, but it isn't as big of a priority as RB

3:37 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

To answer your question about Shanahan's plans, he obviously thinks that Bell and Dayne can get the job since he cut Mike Anderson and essentially let his starting running back just walk away. He wouldn't do that if he didn't think they couldn't get it done. He probably will draft a RB in the middle rounds but I guarantee whoever he drafts doesn't have the starting job yet.
I'm a little disappointed that he gave up the No. 22 for just a couple of later first day picks. (I was hoping he would give up the farm to get to No 6 and draft TE Vernon Davis from Maryland) His motivation I guess is just money. A No. 22 pick is pretty expensive to just draft a possible backup / special teams player.
They desperately need WR help more than anything. They also need help at BE, DE and Safety. The cornerback position is solid, and they drafted every CB available last year, 2 worked out, and one didn't. Tight end is probably the No 2 priority in my book. They sent Jeb Putzier packing a year after he signed a very lucrative deal and he was by far their best pass catching tight end (except if they plan on Wesley Duke being a bigger contributor). You can sign it in ink that they are taking Chad Jackson at No 15 because he is the top WR in the draft but why does the top WR fall to No 15? Probably because he isn't that great, so he probably will just be battling with David Terrell to fill the No 3 WR position.
Now in today's Denver Post, there is rumors that Lelie is looking for a trade. Get him out of here, has he converted one tough 3rd down in his life? All he does is run fly patterns, and he may make one big catch every other game.
Either way, we need desperate play making help on offense. Either RB, TE, or WR, we need some more playmakers.


8:48 PM  
Anonymous Sam Kennison said...

I beg to differ. The Broncos need a Qb you guys! Did you foget who turned the ball over 3 times in the AFC Champ game. Come on get a clue you snake fans!

4:23 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

well of course we need to address the QB situation, Jake plummer is not an elite QB. Of course it would be nice to have a Brady, Manning, Palmer, Hasselback, Rothlisbooger but they're not available. The only available QB's these days are guys like Collins, Frerrotte, Brees, McNair, and Brooks, and Harrington. I will take the snake over guys like that. So any numb nuts can say "Plummer sucks" but what are we suppost to do, who do you suggest we "realistically" Get?
Plummer has vastly improved over the last 3 years, so unless Brady demands a trade to Denver, a QB change at this time would be stoopid.

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Sam Kennison said...

Okay 2st off half the QB's you mention are already taken so welcome to yesterday's news pal. And perhaps you need to take a good look at the qb draft class. Jay Cutler would be a perfect QB to choose and by addressing that need the Broncos can atleast look to the futire with somebody othet that Brad Van Pelt. Cmon kid... open your eyes. it's not really all that stoopid of a decision. Don't be suprised if Denver snags up DeAngelo Williams before any WR like Jackson or Holmes. Get with the times little man.

5:54 PM  
Blogger RED said...

The Broncs need to look at RB James, how can you put that as the final priority man, cmon! You really have faith in Dayne and Bell? Give me a break! Dayne is a washup and Tatum is only good for 12 carries a game, we need a work horse! This DeAngelo who rushed for over 2k last season is a workhorse type, i guarantee we snag him up. Thats about all I can agree with Sam on that .

7:18 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

ok I'm not going to deal with this stoopid ass Sam, he doesn't know his head from his ass....that was my fucking point that those QB's like that aren't available, (hence my previous opening line). I think sam is another "arvada mike" type of imaginary blogger,so I am done with him.....

However, for arguments sake; even if Cutler drops to 15 (which he won't) why would the Broncos waste a 1st round draft pick on a backup QB. They went 13-3, lost in the AFC championship, and Jake Plummer had a pro bowl year. I know he isn't great, but he is better than half of the other starting QB's in the league. You need to address immediate needs in the first round.

Red, Dayne never showed one sign of being a washup...i.e. Dallas. Bell may not be a 30 carry per game back, but I think we proved last year that his change of pace can be devastating to opposing defenses. We will draft a RB, but not with their first pick. We need WR help. Rod smith is the only option on this team right now, and he is going to collect social security checks in like 4 years. Lelie is a situational receiver at best. He makes insignificant big catches at unimportant times of the game. where is he on 3rd and 8, or in the fourth quarter. When does he go over the middle, Lelie is poop. Who else do we have? David Terrell? He wasn't even in uniform last year, he was inactive for most of the season. Darius Watts? that dumb monkey couldn't catch a nap! Charlie Adams has been waived and resigned by Denver 5 different times. Todd Devoe? well he was undrafted and made the one play in his life. This is the worst WR corp in the league. Jake Plummer can't have this receiving core much longer, he needs help! Either WR or TE, he needs somebody to throw to who doesn't rely on viagra and heart medicine. I love you Rod, but I remember you were on the team when I was in high school.
The running game was the second best in the league last year, and once again they will have a new starting running back next year. They will be in the top 5 in running next year, and the year after that, and the year after that. Why not start investing in the passing game? Chad Jackson will be their pick! I will bet you anything. (let's bet them pearl jam tickets on that red)

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Willie Rivas said...

awwww budd you guyz are stupid. They need to draft Kraig Krenzels little brother Opey Krenzel. He is a bad ass muther fucker mother fucker.

9:00 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

My 2 cents...

Denver at this time does not need to address their QB situation. Sam, you know I agree that Plummer isn't the All-pro Denver is used to having and he probably isn't the guy who is going to get us to the Super Bowl year-after-year. Sure he turned the ball over 3 times in that playoff game, but the defense was smoked too, rushing attack was halted, lot of things went wrong. Here's the thing, only 1 team wins the Super Bowl when all is said and done, so if you're going to say Denver needs a new QB because he isn't getting it done, then shouldn't we look at Peyton Manning? How many Super Bowls has he been to? Then the Colts need to find someone better to take them to promise land.

Red, I can't agree with you that the Broncos need to focus their attention on a RB right now. You were concerned after Portis left, after TD was's almost safe to say it's more the system than the runner. We have no idea what Dayne is capable of, thus a little twilight zone back to Droughns. In the games Dayne did play in, he impressed me.

I'm going to agree with Jamezwp on this one. We do need to address the WR situation. We have an aging #1 WR, a possible-deep-threat but not so much of a play-maker with #2 Lelie...then who? The reason to jump on a solid WR now is to build for the future. Smith isn't going to be around for much longer (I think he's done after this season) and the thoughts of having Lelie be our #1 guy just scares me. The RB situation, we have two backs who are capable of big games, Bell obviously proved it and Dayne did show some promising light.

But I think Denver's biggest #2 concern is the Safety position. Lynch has lost a step in deep coverage, great run support. Their CB situation is doing fine, as long as they remain healthy, Williams and Bailey make a great pair. Denver was able to keep intact a lot of their defense so that is only going to help them out, but the safety position needs to be addressed. I like Ferguson, but we'll need to find a replacement for Lynch real soon!

As far as Denver's draft, remember it's about the salary cap too...many people didn't like trading away a first round pick for 2 later rounds, but Denver probably can't fit two first round picks in the rookie salary cap (percentage based upon available salary cap of the team). And also, quantity is sometimes better than unknown quality at that position. Generally within a draft, you have your top prospects, the top 20 lets say, the rest through round 3 are all good but average players, little higher risks so to speak and that is what Denver was faced with.

Regarding their #1 pick...most people want to see Jackson end up here, sure he's probably the best prospect of a very weak WR class, but he's also a junior and had a rollercoaster season. On the flip side, he's still young, you can mold him better, plus his body is in better shape.

I would be very surprised to see Jay Cutler fall to #15, but if he does, I say pick his ass up. He's going to be a good Qb in this league, great arm.

But I also like Sinorice Moss from "The-U", guy is fast as hell, great hands, and hell, the Canes have had a knack for producing solid WR's in the NFL.

8:09 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Just like high school, Steve is copying off of my test.

12:42 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

haha...did we even have any classes together?

1:13 AM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

only the West Side Story class...

10:22 AM  
Blogger RED said...

I believe the Broncos will get a WR or two in the draft, just not the 1st round. I personally would like to see them get a running back with the 1st pick. Imagine what we could do with a top notch running back versus a nobody turned 1000 yard rusher. Not to say a average RB that runs for 1000 yards is bad. I'd just like to see an ultra type back that can catch 40 balls and rush for over 1000, been a while since we had one of those types. The WR class is just too weak to waste a 1st round pick on one. Tell you the truth I bet we all get suprised and they draft defense with there 1st round pick. I can see them doing that. Wonder if AJ Hawk can slip down to us.

2:21 PM  
Anonymous AJ Myrick said...

I can see them getting me

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Sam Kennison said...

I'm not here to start fights guys, i am just a avid football fan.

3:09 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

yeah Jesse, it's been a while since we've had a back like that, two years to be exact. Clinton Portis was that back, and what have we done since he left.....we remained as the top running team in the league.
I agree that it would be nice to have a running back who can do everything, it would be very nice. But I trust that our system will be very productive in the running game no matter who's at running back. Furthermore, the tandem of Anderson and Bell proved that it could be very effective. We almost had 2 - 1000 yard backs. To me Dayne looked like a better fit than Anderson did last year. Why wouldn't you trust Shanahan's middle round RB choices again? You were all over Clarrett last year, Portis was a second, T.D. was a sixth, so on and so on.
But please admitt that our passing game is almost pathetic. Who is our starting T.E.? Look at our WR corp. Chad Jackson would be an excellent selection. He is big and physical, and he is very fast. He is the possible playmaker we need in our passing game.
Besides, let's just say we trade with Houston and draft all everything Reggie Bush. If we don't have any playmakers in the passing game, what's going to stop defenses from stacking 10 in the box. I don't care who you are, if defenses arn't afraid of your passing game, you ain't going to run for shit (remember Pittsburgh).
Who do you suggest we get in the later rounds at WR? I assure you it won't be anybody who can contribute offensively like Chad Jackson can. this draft may be weak at WR, but Jackson and Moss are both very good players.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Lionel said...

Faaaack yooo. Cowboyz rule!

5:34 PM  
Blogger RED said...

Don't get me wrong now there James. I agree our recieving corp is not that good. I still think Rod Smith can contribute for 75 receptions and a good 1000 yards. As for Lelie, well yeah he hasn't shown much of anything to us. He wouldn't be bad as a #3 reciever. I'd just hate to see a bust out of the WR position as we have been notorius in doing the past several years. What I would have liked to see is the Broncos go out and get a good free agent WR. Perhaps they can still snag up Jevon Walker. I was hoping we could have got Owens or even Eric Moulds. I have confidence that Shannahan can get us a good RB in the middle rounds and turn him into a 1000 yard back or even turn Dayne into a 1000 yard back. But we need a playmaker who can take the pressure off our WR's and mid to deep passing game with a Ultra type back that can catch 40 - 50 out of the backfield. mike Anderson caught 18 balls out of the backfield last season. Sorry but that isn't helping the passing game as far as production goes. Either way you look at it the Broncos made a huge stride getting to the AFC Championship game last season and we lost because Rothlesbooger through for 21 of 29 and 275 yards. We lost that game because we couldn't stop a 3rd down conversion if our lives depended on it and not to mention 4 turn overs by PLUMMER!

5:47 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Javon Walker is coming off of a major injury, although I'm sure he'll fully recover he is being courted by Philly and Denver. No guarantees there. We didn't get Moulds or Owens, and how many more years are we going to rely on Rod?
Rod is in his 13th season, he's the oldest player on the team. I bet he's the oldest starting WR in the league.
What if Rod were to get hurt this year?

6:41 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Steve could probably rush for like 350 yards in Denver, which means Bradshaw cold rush for 466 yards, red would rush for about 700 yards, and I would rush for about 760 yards.
They can find somebody in the 2nd or 3rd round to be another CP or TD. The only two backs to choose from in the first is Lendell White who is pretty good but he is bigger (some say he has a tendency to gain weight to quick) but he won't be a big receiving threat.
Deangelo williams is another possibility but he only caught 30 passes over the last two years. No guarantees he'll be a "a playmaker who can take the pressure off our WR's and mid to deep passing game with a Ultra type back that can catch 40 - 50 out of the backfield". he has had an excellent college career, but he is only 5'9". Looks like he might be more like Q than CP.So who do you suggest taking in the first over Chad Jackson who will do the things you are looking for?

6:57 PM  
Anonymous Mootant said...

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6:59 PM  
Blogger Jamezwp said...

Why is there a damn trash can beside my name when I post?

7:00 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Trash can is there because you can delete your own post.

That would be sweet if AJ Hawk can slip to #15, but he'll be gone in the top 10 - that guy is flat out sick. DeAngelo Williams, well, good solid little runner, but I don't think he's going to be a play-maker in the league.

My vote is for Chad Jackson - Javon Walker is too risky to consider right now (that was a severe injury).

9:00 PM  
Anonymous Chris Tampon said...

I'm hibernbating till something bad happens

9:48 PM  
Blogger RED said...

Well I can see DeAngelo Williams being the pick above Jackson, also I can see us snagging up Winston Justice, the OL from USC if we don't get Williams. Shit I can see them going defense before they draft a WR. We are Notorius for drafting losers when it comes to WR in the draft IE Marcus Nash! Man I really hope if they don't go RB 1st, that Michael Huff, the Safety from Texas falls down to the Broncos, now that would be sweet. But they WILL not go WR in the 1st round man. There is way too much talent at other positions to go after Chad (not Johnson) Jackson. Shoot we might get the second best DE in the draft behind Mario (I'll get picked in the top 5) Williams from NorthCarolina State and grab Tamba Hali from Penn State.

9:54 PM  
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Blogger Erik Mann said...

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5:39 PM  

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